28 Responses to 27 TUE APR 25 Last Class

1. goodmusician440 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:00 am

   -On April 27, there is a portfolio double check, and that day is mandatory if you want to pass the course.
   -You want your rewrites to be in your portfolio along with your annotated bibliography, 3000 word research paper, self reflective statement, and your visual rewrite.
   -Scientists are always wrong because we never really know. We come up with theory after theory after theory over the years and they are always surpassed by a “better” theory and we just never know what “right” even is.
   -This course is about thinking, performing, rewriting, and a science course.
   -*Paraphrased*: Scientists are not the people who give the right answers, but they ask the right questions.
   -Rain is mostly forgotten because they have no name.
   -The constellation, Orion, looks one way when we see it on Earth, but if we took a side view of it, it is nowhere near to be found.
   -If you are posting arguments for the first time, it is took late for feedback.

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2. saycheese03 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:07 am

   The most brilliant ideas are found in a small argument

   Be bold and don’t be slow in opening

   Portfolio checks are on Thursday and the earlier we come the earlier we can leave.

   thinking course, science course, performance course, and rewriting course.

   “[Science is] an imaginative adventure of the mind seeking truth in a world full of mystery”

   “Name something and it’s yours”: defining a term is essential to arguments

   star argument: although we named Orion and it is very noticeable from Earth when you view space from a different angle Orion isn’t there

   get rid of grey language

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3. giants19 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:09 am

   -Today, in our final class, we began with a Ted Talk involving a man telling a joke about Einstein.
   – A lot of science can be proven wrong, and every scientist has been wrong at some point in their career.
   -We then discussed invention by naming, which pretty much means that once you have named something, that is when you have invented it.
   -Another thing that was emphasized was that we should not engage in black-and-white debates, but rather a gray hue. This pretty much means that every issue has a compromise and there can be a middle ground that usually both parties can come to an agreement about. That being said, many people are not satisfied with a grey approach to arguments.

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   • davidbdale says:

     April 25, 2023 at 1:52 pm

     A semester didn’t succeed in helping you find a way to take better Notes, Giants. I blame myself.

     You say:

     Today, in our final class, we began with a Ted Talk involving a man telling a joke about Einstein.

     That note is virtually guaranteed to fail to remind you the point of the joke.

     In the same number of words, can we record the meaning of the joke? Yep.

     A physics final exam questions can always be the same because the answers are different every year.

     Words to spare. And I could make it shorter. My version helps me remember the content, the takeaway of the lesson.

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   • davidbdale says:

     April 25, 2023 at 1:56 pm

     -Another thing that was emphasized was that we should not engage in black-and-white debates, but rather a gray hue. This pretty much means that every issue has a compromise and there can be a middle ground that usually both parties can come to an agreement about. That being said, many people are not satisfied with a grey approach to arguments.

     Naaah. You couldn’t have gotten this one more wrong. The death of good writing and good argument is gray language. NOBODY is satisfied with gray language except those trying to lie or hide the truth. Be bold. Be colorful. Make clear claims. AVOID anything that sounds like equivocation or compromise. If you MUST equivocate, do so briefly while holding you nose. If you MUST compromise, present the result as a bold initiative.

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4. pitandthependulum22 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:14 am

   ‘Stephen Hawking Was Wrong’
   – Scientists are always wrong: new evidence produces better answers to the same questions
   – “less wrong” is what makes persuasive arguments valid

   Name Something And Its Yours
   – Through careful definition, the name of something can bring to mind the argument/ reasoning behind it

   Housekeeping
   – Put assignments into ‘Grade Please’, reply to post if it is brand new content to let Professor know it exists
   – If you have made substantial revisions on a post, reply to it for a grade update
   – Biggest revisions to make now: Get rid of gray language

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5. fulcrum66 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:14 am

   Small arguments can create brilliant ideas

   It’s important to be bold with your introduction so you do not leave any details out or accidentally stray from your ideas. By being effective in your ability to deliver the information you want to show will allow your readers to better understand what you are telling them.

   “Name something and it’s yours” It will make defining your argument easier if you are able to find a category to lock in on.

   Portfolio Checks are THURSDAY.

   On Earth we are able to view Orion’s belt, but from space you are unable to see the constellation.

   Alert the professor when turning in your assignments.

   Get rid of grey language.

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6. rowanluver29 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:15 am

   – Comp 2 can be considered a performance course, rewriting course, a science course and a thinking course.
   – There is no point in arguing with Stephen Hawking about blackholes since he already argued with himself about it.
   – Horizontal rain is a shortcut to describe a type of rain where an umbrella has no purpose for what it is supposed to be used for.
   – The earlier you come in on Thursday for final portfolio check, the earlier you can get out!
   – People seem to lose tempers when people don’t understand what is so obvious to us.
   – Get rid of grey language.
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7. rowanstudent6 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:16 am

   -Last Class: Attend on Thursday for Portfolio Double Check
   -Scientists are wrong because we will never for certain know whether or not they are right. There is no way to know for certain.
   -The same questions can be asked until the end of time because new evidence can make answers less wrong. Therefore my argument can be researched until the end of my life because there will always be new evidence that will make my claim less wrong
   -Do not have a slow and drawn out introduction. Come out and say what needs to be said
   -If you name a concept then you can use that throughout your essay to be more concise such as the creation of a term for my paper to explain surfers weaving through people on a ride
   -No feedback can be asked for unless there is already an ongoing conversation
   -Get rid of gray language
   -Do not have an unclear premise
   -Do not use clumsy language. Be clear in your points

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8. sinatraman17 says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:16 am

   -“Science is a great game. It is inspiring and refreshing. The playing field is the universe itself.” -Isidor Isaac Rabi

   -“Name something and it’s YOURS”

   Orion:
   -Only “Orion” to US, from only Earth’s perspective.
   -“Orion’s Belt DOES NOT EXIST”

   Gray Opinions:
   -“ZERO people are happy with Gray”
   -Commit a side, don’t ride down the middle to please both sides.

   **Portfolio Double-Check on Thursday**

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9. gracchusbabeuf says:

   April 25, 2023 at 9:18 am

   The final class began with a section titled “Stephen Hawking was wrong.” It detailed how even great minds like Hawking are, by the very fact of being scientists, wrong about everything. After all, every hypothesis which is “proven” is eventually disproven. Scientist provide important observations about the nature of the world, but they are not the final word on anything.

   The next section, “This is a Science Course”, details the most recent claim about the course made by the professor. Earlier, he has claimed that course is a “thinking course”, a “performance course”, and a “re-writing course”. He explains his reasoning for each description of the course :
   “The key to good writing is simple: 1) have a great idea, 2) express it briefly and clearly, 3) illustrate with specific sensory details.”
   These 4 different descriptions of the course all have the same three unifying principles. In this way, the professor argues, the course is all 4 things at the same time.

   One of the professor’s core arguments, that all text is an argument, is demonstrated in a sign which reads “NO FISHING FROM BRIDGE.” The sign makes an argument that is not acceptable t fish from the bridge. The sign was, in fact, made by a private citizen. The local authority does not enforce it. However, the sign still has a noticeable effect on the behaviors of the youth who were fishing. They will still fish, but when called on it, they leave.

   One section towards the end of class briefly discussed the pro-gun lobby and anti-gun lobby positions on guns in schools. The compromise, while it pleases no one, still gets guns in school, which is a win for the gun lobby.

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10. pinkmonkey32 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 9:27 am

    -we are not trying to have the last word, we are trying to provide a breakthrough thinking on the topic
    -This is a thinking source, a performance course, a re-writing course, and a science course.
    -You should have a shortcut of words that define parts of your essay.
    -All text is argument
    -Keep in mind both sides of your argument seem clear to someone one way or another and it’s your job to get them to see the side they cant understand
    -Best way to revise your work at this point is to delete gray language. You need to show where you stand
    – When you compromise, someone wins, but no one is happy.
    – Its too late to ask for feedback if you haven’t already but if there has been an ongoing conversation for feedback you may still ask for more.
    – Mandatory class April 27 to pass class
    – schedule your last zoom call

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11. Shazammm says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:24 am

    It is our obligation as humans to argue with the Albert Einsteins in the world because they are fundamentally wrong. We are not smart enough to argue with them, but we always have to figure out a way to refute them. Humans are not fundamentally right, correct, true, etc. We have hypotheses and we our duty is to find out what is more wrong/more right about them. It would be ridiculous for us as humans to proclaim the truth because we do not know what the truth is. And if we find the truth of something, it is always changing. Conclusions to things are not permanent. We are always finding something new.

    Our mass never changes. But our weight is defined as the degree to which gravity pulls are mass to the center of the earth.

    You can keep asking the same questions to people in physics because the answers are always changing. Counterintuitive hypotheses have value because the questions can be repeated over and over again and the answers can still change.

    When someone proposes something new, it is going to sound stupid at first. It is a part of forming new hypotheses.

    We can still get feedback on assignments if we have conversations going with the professor.

    If we have improved our posts since it was first graded, drop a reply to as for a regrade. And ask for Grade Please.

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12. sortableelms says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:29 am

    Stephen Hawking Was Wrong: We are compelled as a race to argue with the likes of Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein because they were wrong. The scientist was right for that time but it will always be able to be fought and can be proven wrong when new evidence is revealed.
    It is better to be bold and NOT be slow in opening.
    Name Something and It’s Yours: You can name something and turn it from a 40-something word definition into something powerful and unique.
    Invention by Naming: If you want to remember something you can name it and you’ll always remember it or it will be more significant to you. It is more likely to be recognized and remembered.
    If you’re already engaged in feedback on an assignment, you can request additional feedback

    **Portfolio contents***
    Research Position Paper, Annotated Bibliography, Visual Rhetoric Rewrite, Self-Reflective Statement, Two of the following (4 pieces in total): Definition Rewrite, plus the original Definition Argument, Causal Rewrite, plus the original Causal Argument, Rebuttal Rewrite, plus the original Rebuttal Argument
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    ***DUE DATES*****
    THU APR 27: Reflective Statements will be due, completing your Portfolio.
    Grade Conferences by Appointment, on Zoom: Conferences will be held on MON MAY 01, TUE MAY 02, WED MAY 03
    There are no deadlines for your Short Paper Rewrites.: Portfolio is complete and Verified, on THU APR 27, it will have to include TWO of your THREE short arguments and their Rewrites (Definition/Causal/Rebuttal). You choose which two.
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13. g00dsoup says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:39 am

    This class is a science course:
    -We were often told that this is a thinking course
    -We were often told that this is a performance course
    -We were often told that this is a re-writing course
    -Therefore, this is a science course
    -We all have the following:
    1) great ideas
    2) the ability to express it briefly and clearly
    3) the ability to illustrate it with specific sensory details
    Thinking, Performance, Re-Writing, and Science also have these categories

    Housekeeping:

    Feedback Protocol:
    -If you’re posting assignments for the first time this semester, you are too late for feedback requests (you can ask for the assignments to be graded)
    -If you posted your assignments and never asked for feedback, you are too late for feedback requests (you can ask for the assignments to be graded)
    -If you’ve already been engaged with the feedback, you can request additional feedback for your assignments

    Grade Please Protocol:
    If you are posting for the first time, an assignment never got graded, and/or you’ve improved your work since the first post, you can put it in the Grade Please category

    *Avoid gray language*

    Self Reflective Statements are due Thursday, April 27 (April 26, 11:59pm)

    Portfolios will be checked Thursday, April 27.
    The earlier we arrive, we will have our portfolio’s checked first.
    Our Portfolio should consist of 8 items
    1) The Research Paper (3000 words)
    2) Annotated Bib
    3) Self Reflective Statement
    4) Visual Rhetoric Rewrite
    5) Definition, Causal, OR Rebuttal (choose ONE)
    6) The rewrite of the selected argument above

    7) Definition, Causal, OR Rebuttal (choose ANOTHER)

    8) The rewrite of the selected argument above

    *One of the three short arguments and the rewrite will not be used in the final portfolio*

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14. gobirds115 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:42 am

    Class Notes 4/25:

    -Stephen Hawking was wrong: If people got things right the first time there would never be improvement or new discoveries. Stephen Hawking of course was highly regarded by many as a smart man, if not the smartest. But he did a lot of his research off of Albert Einstein’s work who at the time was thought to be the smartest. So what this means is that further studying will show Hawking likely didn’t have it right and this will continue as the world keeps going. Which also means that the same questions and problems could have ever changing answers and solutions.

    -Name something and it’s yours. If you name a term or specific process, then you’ve now created a meaning for it. An example is zero gravity. Before we had the term zero gravity, it was just a description with phrases like “things float and we’re no longer locked to the ground” but now it has a name to be referred to as.

    -Perspective is everything: Orion’s Belt is an example. We are able to see Orion’s Belt from earth but from other perspectives in space it doesn’t even exist.

    -Opposites don’t exist: Within certain parameters opposites can somewhat exist, but there is no true opposite. An example, is a black shoe the opposite if a white shoe? Some would say yes it is because black and white are opposite on the color spectrum. But they’re still both shoes right? And the color spectrum does come full circle doesn’t it? Therefore, there really are no universal opposites.

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15. pinkheart84 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:43 am

    “Stephen Hawking was wrong.” Even he can be wrong about everything. Keep revising your work. When you compromise, someone wins, but no one is happy. Too late to ask for feedback if you haven’t already. Class April 27, you must be there to pass. Schedule your last Zoom call.

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16. tlap23 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:43 am

    Class notes 4/25
    Every idea sounds stupid the first time it is brought up
    -name something and it is yours
    Feedback can be requested only if you have had a conversation going
    It is too late to post feedback if you’re posting an argument for the first time
    If you are posting an assignment for the first time, reply asking for a grade and place it in the grade please category
    -same applies for a rewrite
    When compromising, somebody is a winner but no one is ever content. Usually the opponent is the opposite of the original idea.
    Portfolio double check in class April 27
    Mandatory attendance

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17. sunflower0311 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:43 am

    – Everything sounds ridiculous when somebody comes up with an idea for the first time.
    – Once you name something you no longer have to describe it because people will understand and recognize the term.
    – You can still get feedback if you have a conversation going with your professor, but you have to make the substantial revisions. If you have not asked for initial feedback, then it is too late.
    – If you want grades feel free to put it in grade, please, you can also get a regrade just make sure you comment and ask for a regrade.
    – using gray language will make people not want to move on to paragraph two. Colin Kaepernick example:
    – Do Not: “For some people it has and from some people it hasn’t.”
    – Do: “Colin Kaepernick’s refuses to specify what his goal was, so we can’t possibly answer that question. His gesture has certainly had consequences, but we don’t know whether they fulfill his goal.”
    – make sure you make clear what your positions or what the opposing position is, don’t be gray about it.
    – Compromising means someone wins and everyone else is unhappy and they lose.
    – Self Reflective Statement is due April 27th
    – Portfolio Double Check is mandatory on April 27th
    – Book your final zoom meeting!!!

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    • sunflower0311 says:

      April 25, 2023 at 10:46 am

      – white paper does not need to be in the portfolio
      – You only choose two of the three essays to have in the portfolio with their rewrites. Choose between rebuttal, causal and definition.
      – Just the visual rewrite needs to be in the portfolio you do not need both

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18. fatjoe000 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:45 am

    -Counterintuitive hypothesis have value because the answers always change
    -Everything is going to sound stupid when you come up with something for the first time
    -You can have feedback if you already have a conversation going with the professor
    -If you’re posing arguments for the first time it is too late to ask for feedback, but you can still ask for a grade
    -Paragraph one should make the readers want to read paragraph two
    -Most things don’t have opposites
    ^A black sneaker isn’t the opposite of a white sneaker because they are both still sneakers
    -You want to avoid the “gray sneaker” by just picking the white or black sneaker and sticking to it
    -Do not choose opposites, opposites lose arguments

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19. inspireangels says:

    April 25, 2023 at 10:58 am

    – When it comes to science, scientists are wrong since new evidence is always being discovered and answers are being changed
    – Everything sounds dumb when it comes up for the first time
    – Name those arguments, the values of naming things if you can name them you can remember them, give them descriptive adjective

    Housekeeping:
    – You can get feedback only if you have a conversation with your professor
    – If you’re posting an assignment for the first time, drop a reply and place it in the Grade category
    – If you never received a grade on your assignment alert your professor by dropping a reply
    – If improved your essay from the last time it’s been graded, in the reply ask for a regrade and place it in the Grade Please Category

    The Opposite of a Black Sneaker
    – If you haven’t clearly defined what your position is and so you have vaguely argued the other side as well, you are now in a gray area and lose the audience’s interest.

    What should be included in your Portfolio
    – two short arguments and their rewrite
    – Visual rewrite
    – Annotated Bibliography
    – Research Paper
    – Self-Reflective Statements

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20. mellowtacos says:

    April 25, 2023 at 11:04 am

    We are compelled to argue with Stephen Hawking because every hypothesis will be disproven. Science is always changing.

    VIDEO
    You can keep asking the same question to students because the answers keep changing.

    PROFESSOR AND G6
    Professor told G6 that his topic was good but he nearly talked Professor out of reading by starting out so slowly.
    Instead of being all wordy and starting with reasons as to why Stephen hawking is wrong just start by saying “Stephen Hawking is wrong”.

    NAME SOMETHING AND IT’S YOURS
    Name a term- a powerful way to make your argument good

    Naming your argument is very valuable
    Examples: pro life, pro choice, pity dog, leaf rain

    *where we stand changes our perspective about everything

    HOUSEKEEPING
    You may still get feedback if you respond and make changes

    PORTFOLIO DOUBLE-CHECK
    In Class THU APR 27
    Mandatory Attendance for anyone who wishes to pass the course.
    Avoid gray language
    Very few things have opposites

    You have to define what your position is and if you haven’t you can’t clearly define what the opposing position is and end up being very vague.

    If you compromise with what looks like your opposite you lose

    PORTFOLIO
    Strongest argument and your rewrites (you are leaving one out)
    White paper doesn’t go in there
    Research argument belongs
    Visual REWRITE belongs
    Annotated bibliography belongs
    And self reflective statement

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21. chickennugget246 says:

    April 25, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    The key to good writing is simple:
    – have a great idea
    – express it briefly and clearly
    – illustrate with specific sensory details
    Start out by grabbing the reader’s attention because it will make them want to read on. Also, provide evidence for the readers to keep them engaged and interested in your piece.
    All text is argument.
    Arguments can change the world. We can create something new just by naming it. Language has power not just to describe our experience, but to create our experience. Signs are proposal arguments that persuade their readers on the basis of some authority of law.
    Important:
    – If you’re posting arguments for the first time, you’re too late to request feedback.
    – If you posted weeks ago, but never asked for feedback, you’re too late to request feedback.
    – If you’re already engaged in feedback on an assignment, you can request additional feedback by making substantial revisions to your post, asking specific questions in a reply, and placing your post in feedback please.
    – If you’re posting an assignment for the first time, drop a reply to alert the professor to its existence. Ask for a grade. Put the post in the grade please category.
    – If you’ve never received a grade on an assignment, likely your professor has not noticed it. Drop a reply to alert the professor to its existence. Ask for a grade. Put the post in the grade please category.
    – If you’ve improved your post since it was first graded, drop a reply to ask for a regrade. Put the post in the grade please category.
    The goal of all our arguments is not to join a black or white debate, but to create a color, not something that just goes with everything.
    DO NOT settle for gray because it satisfies no one. Ending up with compromises no more compelling than our starting premises wastes our readers’ time. So, we need to realize we’ve misinterpreted our starting points.
    DO NOT start with gray, since it can only result in more gray.
    Our goal is the colorful conclusion, which is achieved by beginning with bold and colorful premises.
    The result of our premises will not be as certain as when we try to start with supposed “opposite sides” of a known argument, but the pursuit of an outcome will be more entertaining, vivid, colorful, and compelling.
    Important:
    – Regrading can still occur until the time our portfolio is graded.
    – Regrades are not automatic upon the improvement of our post.
    – Drop a reply to alert the professor of our improvements. Ask for a regrade. Put the post in the grade please category.
    – On Thursday, April 27, when our portfolio is verified complete, the final grading process will begin, starting with the portfolio of the earliest-scheduled student.
    – Students desperate to improve their grades, even after Thursday, April 27, can continue to improve their posts. Latest-scheduled students will be graded last.
    – No guarantee is offered for how long that last improvement opportunity will last.
    PORTFOLIO DOUBLE-CHECK:
    – In Class THU APR 27
    – Mandatory Attendance for anyone who wishes to pass the course.

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22. Water says:

    April 26, 2023 at 12:51 pm

    This is the last class before the portfolio check-ins and we start the class with an image of Stephen Hawking and the phrase that said he was wrong, we see a ted talk joke that was Albert Einstein. I didn’t really get the joke. we then talked about how the class is not only a writing course but a thinking, performance, re-writing and science course. We then saw a video of a band that filmed their music video in zero gravity in one shot. Definition changes based on the way we want to interpret things, in the class example of rain, rain has one overall meaning but it doesn’t always have the right meaning for a specific kind of rain, for example, rain that goes diagonal or rain that comes from the bottom. The perspective of the Orion belt was a metaphor used to describe the perspective we take on our papers, depending on what we see it from gives it an entirely different meaning. The opposite of a black sneaker scenario was the last thing talked about, you have a claim and then the opposite of that claim, but while there are two opposing sides, there can be a compromise or neutral zone. We don’t want to have the opposite.

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23. blueee04 says:

    April 26, 2023 at 6:37 pm

    Today, we first discussed Steven Hawking and how intelligent he was. I think it’s amazing how he understood so much science and wrote books too. He didn’t give up even due to the circumstances he was in. I think a lot of people should use this as an example that nothing is really impossible. We should push ourselves to do more. Most of the time the reason we can’t do something is because we are standing in our own way.

    Then we discussed different types of rains and how they can be named something much shorter than the explanation. For example, when it rains and is a sunny day, this is called sun shower. It’s not surprising to me that there is names for different types of rains.

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24. clevelandbrown03 says:

    April 29, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    Talked about the intelligence and perseverance of steven hawking. Even though he was crippled he still found out ways to change the world and influence many people. Also talked about the opposite of a black sneaker and how we don’t want grey arguments in our paper.

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25. oatmealvibes says:

    May 1, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    Stephan Hawking was wrong: You must demand your reader’s attention. Nobody will disagree that Hawking is brilliant but saying he is wrong will turn some heads and that’s how you demand your reader’s attention.

    By naming something, you’re claiming it, especially in your writing.

    If you are requesting feedback for the first time or just posted an argument and are requesting feedback, it is too late.

    If you need something graded, put it into the grade please category. Regrades can happen until your portfolio is graded.

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